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Gun Grabbers Are Gearing Up For Indiana Gun Grab
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c***@indy.com
2004-08-30 20:18:50 UTC
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The whole point of this story is that the gun grabbers are about to make
it more difficult for Indiana residents to get carry permits.

The killer in the article held no Indiana carry permit, yet these gun
grabbers are taking advantage of this shooting by treating it as if it
were done by one of us. Once these gun grabbing bastards get this door
opened, we will be saddled with more than just "training." We'll find
our ability to own and carry limited to a host of do's and don'ts as CCW
holders are burdened with in other states.

Complain to your state official about this blatant attempt at attacking
the rights of Indiana citizens to own and carry.

http://www.in.gov/legislative/legislators/

http://www.in.gov/legislative/contact/index.html

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http://www.purdueexponent.org/interface/bebop/showstory.php?date=2004/08/30&section=columns&storyid=index


State needs sensible gun laws
With the death of Indianapolis Police Department Officer Timothy Laird,
who was shot and killed on Aug.18 by Kenneth Anderson with an SKS
military-style rifle, many gun-control activist groups are calling for a
renewed ban on assault rifles, saying they are the most dangerous guns
on the streets.

However, the SKS is not an assault rifle. According to Purdue professor
David Koltick, head adviser and rifle coach of the Purdue Rifle and
Pistol Club, the SKS is a primitive, cheaply made Chinese gun with low
bullet storage capacity. Military-style semiautomatic weapons such as
this were specifically designed to wound, not kill. If a soldier is
wounded on the battlefield, it creates an advantage for the enemy
because he causes a distraction that needs medical attention.

Two weeks from today, the 1994 Assault Weapons Act, which prohibits the
sale of 19 different types of semiautomatic weapons such as the AK-47,
Uzi and TEC-9, will expire unless renewed by Congress by Sept. 13.
Federal lawmakers in 1994 put a 10-year moratorium on the possession,
manufacture or transfer of 19 specific models of assault rifles thinking
it would reduce gun violence in the United States.

There are several bills waiting in Congress that would reauthorize the
ban.

However, the Assault Weapons Act has had little effect on crime rates
and is not attributed to a decrease in gun-related hostility, according
to a recently released study by the National Institute of Justice, the
research agency of the U.S. Justice Department. Assault weapons are used
in 1 to 2 percent of violent crimes, experts approximated.

Koltick relates the ban on assault weapons to not letting streetwalkers
wear lipstick it doesn’t stop the problem. He said the assault rifle
definition in the bill is ill-defined, and only cosmetic changes have to
be made to a rifle to make it legal to sell. Changing the handgrip,
taking off the bayonet log and reducing the magazine (the chamber where
extra bullets are held) capacity is all it takes for an illegal assault
rifle to become legal. Koltick said all of these changes don’t affect
the lethality of the gun. When was the last time someone was killed with
a bayonet?

The real problem associated with the Laird shooting was that Anderson, a
certified schizophrenic, had any gun in his possession at all. Stricter
laws governing gun licenses and, more importantly, the renewal of gun
licenses need to be in place. Indiana has the second highest rate of gun
permits per person in the nation. One out of every 15 Indiana adult
residents has a permit to carry a gun outside the home with about 76,000
gun permits issued in 2003.

Indiana needs to take a cue from Ohio and require gun training before
approving a permit to carry a gun. Ohio requires permit applicants to go
through 12 hours of weapons training (shooting for two hours on a range
and learning for 10 hours in a classroom) before they are eligible for
approval. The training will assure that Indiana’s permit owners have at
least a basic understanding of how to operate a firearm. This will
lessen the chance of gun accidents happening (around 802 accidental gun
deaths in 2001) and increase gun owners’ ability to properly defend
themselves in a dangerous situation.

The Indiana State Police also need to start checking applicants’ mental
history as part of enhanced background checks. People should not have
access to guns if they have had to be detained due to an emergency and
taken to the hospital by police for mental screening. The state police
check an applicant’s Indiana criminal history and check an applicant’s
name against a national database maintained by the FBI, but there is no
check of an applicant’s mental history.

In the case of Kenneth Anderson, a year ago he was detained due to
emergency by the police and taken to an Indianapolis hospital. Police
confiscated the guns he had in his home. Anderson was released by the
hospital after being diagnosed with schizophrenia. When he went to the
police station to get his guns back, the police had no legal recourse to
keep his guns from him even though he was thought mentally unstable.

Bill Shipley, who serves Indianapolis police as a psychologist through
the Employee Assistance Program, said he would like to see a hearing
before a judge in emergency detention situations such as the one
involving Anderson. He said the police need to be given discrepancy
power to refuse to return confiscated guns to a person they’ve had to
admit into a hospital on an emergency basis. A judge should determine in
these situations whether a patient’s guns should be returned to him.

I hope this shooting will help shed some light on glaring problems in
the state’s gun control policies. Preventable deaths such as Laird’s
need to be the foundation for gun laws that make sense.
Bert Hyman
2004-08-30 20:22:04 UTC
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If a soldier is wounded on the battlefield, it creates an advantage
for the enemy because he causes a distraction that needs medical
attention.
This, of course, assumes that your enemy values human life as much as
you do.
--
Bert Hyman | St. Paul, MN | ***@visi.com
c***@indy.com
2004-08-30 20:33:34 UTC
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On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 15:18:50 -0500, ***@indy.com wrote:

Indiana ccw holders:

You might send a note to comments editor of The Exponent from where this
article came.

***@purdueexponent.org

Don't get nasty. Just relate the fact that blood is not running in the
streets in Indiana, nor are concealed carry permit holders committing
crimes. To saddle them with further restrictions of their
constitutional right to protect themselves from the predators roaming
our streets is indefensible.

Let them know you're displeasure of associating us with killers such as
in the article below.
Post by c***@indy.com
The whole point of this story is that the gun grabbers are about to make
it more difficult for Indiana residents to get carry permits.
The killer in the article held no Indiana carry permit, yet these gun
grabbers are taking advantage of this shooting by treating it as if it
were done by one of us. Once these gun grabbing bastards get this door
opened, we will be saddled with more than just "training." We'll find
our ability to own and carry limited to a host of do's and don'ts as CCW
holders are burdened with in other states.
Complain to your state official about this blatant attempt at attacking
the rights of Indiana citizens to own and carry.
http://www.in.gov/legislative/legislators/
http://www.in.gov/legislative/contact/index.html
++++++++++++++++
http://www.purdueexponent.org/interface/bebop/showstory.php?date=2004/08/30&section=columns&storyid=index
State needs sensible gun laws
With the death of Indianapolis Police Department Officer Timothy Laird,
who was shot and killed on Aug.18 by Kenneth Anderson with an SKS
military-style rifle, many gun-control activist groups are calling for a
renewed ban on assault rifles, saying they are the most dangerous guns
on the streets.
However, the SKS is not an assault rifle. According to Purdue professor
David Koltick, head adviser and rifle coach of the Purdue Rifle and
Pistol Club, the SKS is a primitive, cheaply made Chinese gun with low
bullet storage capacity. Military-style semiautomatic weapons such as
this were specifically designed to wound, not kill. If a soldier is
wounded on the battlefield, it creates an advantage for the enemy
because he causes a distraction that needs medical attention.
Two weeks from today, the 1994 Assault Weapons Act, which prohibits the
sale of 19 different types of semiautomatic weapons such as the AK-47,
Uzi and TEC-9, will expire unless renewed by Congress by Sept. 13.
Federal lawmakers in 1994 put a 10-year moratorium on the possession,
manufacture or transfer of 19 specific models of assault rifles thinking
it would reduce gun violence in the United States.
There are several bills waiting in Congress that would reauthorize the
ban.
However, the Assault Weapons Act has had little effect on crime rates
and is not attributed to a decrease in gun-related hostility, according
to a recently released study by the National Institute of Justice, the
research agency of the U.S. Justice Department. Assault weapons are used
in 1 to 2 percent of violent crimes, experts approximated.
Koltick relates the ban on assault weapons to not letting streetwalkers
wear lipstick it doesn’t stop the problem. He said the assault rifle
definition in the bill is ill-defined, and only cosmetic changes have to
be made to a rifle to make it legal to sell. Changing the handgrip,
taking off the bayonet log and reducing the magazine (the chamber where
extra bullets are held) capacity is all it takes for an illegal assault
rifle to become legal. Koltick said all of these changes don’t affect
the lethality of the gun. When was the last time someone was killed with
a bayonet?
The real problem associated with the Laird shooting was that Anderson, a
certified schizophrenic, had any gun in his possession at all. Stricter
laws governing gun licenses and, more importantly, the renewal of gun
licenses need to be in place. Indiana has the second highest rate of gun
permits per person in the nation. One out of every 15 Indiana adult
residents has a permit to carry a gun outside the home with about 76,000
gun permits issued in 2003.
Indiana needs to take a cue from Ohio and require gun training before
approving a permit to carry a gun. Ohio requires permit applicants to go
through 12 hours of weapons training (shooting for two hours on a range
and learning for 10 hours in a classroom) before they are eligible for
approval. The training will assure that Indiana’s permit owners have at
least a basic understanding of how to operate a firearm. This will
lessen the chance of gun accidents happening (around 802 accidental gun
deaths in 2001) and increase gun owners’ ability to properly defend
themselves in a dangerous situation.
The Indiana State Police also need to start checking applicants’ mental
history as part of enhanced background checks. People should not have
access to guns if they have had to be detained due to an emergency and
taken to the hospital by police for mental screening. The state police
check an applicant’s Indiana criminal history and check an applicant’s
name against a national database maintained by the FBI, but there is no
check of an applicant’s mental history.
In the case of Kenneth Anderson, a year ago he was detained due to
emergency by the police and taken to an Indianapolis hospital. Police
confiscated the guns he had in his home. Anderson was released by the
hospital after being diagnosed with schizophrenia. When he went to the
police station to get his guns back, the police had no legal recourse to
keep his guns from him even though he was thought mentally unstable.
Bill Shipley, who serves Indianapolis police as a psychologist through
the Employee Assistance Program, said he would like to see a hearing
before a judge in emergency detention situations such as the one
involving Anderson. He said the police need to be given discrepancy
power to refuse to return confiscated guns to a person they’ve had to
admit into a hospital on an emergency basis. A judge should determine in
these situations whether a patient’s guns should be returned to him.
I hope this shooting will help shed some light on glaring problems in
the state’s gun control policies. Preventable deaths such as Laird’s
need to be the foundation for gun laws that make sense.
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