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SPITE: Two Ohio newspapers violate privacy of county CHL-holders
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Anonymous Sender
2004-05-29 21:33:12 UTC
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An Indiana newspaper backed down from doing the same.

http://www.ohioccw.org/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=2017
Rusty Shackleford
2004-05-29 22:43:42 UTC
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How is publishing public records a violation of privacy?
joe dzurinda
2004-05-31 11:32:14 UTC
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Post by Rusty Shackleford
How is publishing public records a violation of privacy?
Actually I started thinking about this and came up with the idea to get the
reporters name and address. Then place an ad in the paper about how the
reporter is against guns and wouldn't have one. I'm sure criminals would
love to know of a house where they would be safe from being shot.


Joe
Carl.
2004-05-31 16:24:25 UTC
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Post by joe dzurinda
Post by Rusty Shackleford
How is publishing public records a violation of privacy?
Actually I started thinking about this and came up with the idea to get the
reporters name and address. Then place an ad in the paper about how the
reporter is against guns and wouldn't have one. I'm sure criminals would
love to know of a house where they would be safe from being shot.
Great idea! Criminals need to be informed too!


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Cole Firearms Inc.
2004-05-31 16:29:59 UTC
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Post by Carl.
Post by joe dzurinda
Post by Rusty Shackleford
How is publishing public records a violation of privacy?
Actually I started thinking about this and came up with the idea to get
the
Post by joe dzurinda
reporters name and address. Then place an ad in the paper about how the
reporter is against guns and wouldn't have one. I'm sure criminals would
love to know of a house where they would be safe from being shot.
Great idea! Criminals need to be informed too!
But criminals are stupid, in that same newspaper, someone should print
the names of the newspaper employees who don't have a CCW.

They wouldn't like that, the word hypocrite comes to mind.
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""Sic Semper Tyrannis" - Thus Always with Tyrants - John Wilkes Booth"

"Per ardua nec flectitur nec mutat. Confido,
est voluntas dei, invictus maneo. Addere leci justitiam
deo certavi et vici." - Rev. Shawn Cole, Cole Firearms Inc.
Cole Firearms Inc.
2004-05-29 23:12:57 UTC
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Post by Anonymous Sender
An Indiana newspaper backed down from doing the same.
http://www.ohioccw.org/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=2017
Newspapers have been doing that occasionally across the United States.
Different states have different laws preventing such violations of
privacy.

Those who have had their names printed need to file suit against the
papers. The newspapers are not protected by the 1st Amendment by
printing personal information on citizens.
--
""Sic Semper Tyrannis" - Thus Always with Tyrants - John Wilkes Booth"

"Per ardua nec flectitur nec mutat. Confido,
est voluntas dei, invictus maneo. Addere leci justitiam
deo certavi et vici." - Rev. Shawn Cole, Cole Firearms Inc.
Carl.
2004-05-29 23:27:00 UTC
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Post by Cole Firearms Inc.
Post by Anonymous Sender
An Indiana newspaper backed down from doing the same.
http://www.ohioccw.org/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=2017
Newspapers have been doing that occasionally across the United States.
Different states have different laws preventing such violations of
privacy.
Those who have had their names printed need to file suit against the
papers. The newspapers are not protected by the 1st Amendment by
printing personal information on citizens.
Fortunately, they all have a handy list of fellow plaintiffs.


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Cole Firearms Inc.
2004-05-29 23:34:12 UTC
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Post by Carl.
Post by Cole Firearms Inc.
Post by Anonymous Sender
An Indiana newspaper backed down from doing the same.
http://www.ohioccw.org/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=2017
Newspapers have been doing that occasionally across the United States.
Different states have different laws preventing such violations of
privacy.
Those who have had their names printed need to file suit against the
papers. The newspapers are not protected by the 1st Amendment by
printing personal information on citizens.
Fortunately, they all have a handy list of fellow plaintiffs.
In a way, that is convenient to know everyone who has had their Rights
violated.
--
""Sic Semper Tyrannis" - Thus Always with Tyrants - John Wilkes Booth"

"Per ardua nec flectitur nec mutat. Confido,
est voluntas dei, invictus maneo. Addere leci justitiam
deo certavi et vici." - Rev. Shawn Cole, Cole Firearms Inc.
Rusty Shackleford
2004-05-29 23:39:35 UTC
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On Sat, 29 May 2004 23:34:12 GMT, "Cole Firearms Inc."
Post by Cole Firearms Inc.
In a way, that is convenient to know everyone who has had their Rights
violated.
What rights were violated? It's a matter of public record.
Ralph Mowery
2004-05-29 23:50:25 UTC
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Post by Rusty Shackleford
Post by Cole Firearms Inc.
In a way, that is convenient to know everyone who has had their Rights
violated.
What rights were violated? It's a matter of public record.
Yes, it is public record but there are some things that are labled public
record that maybe should not be. I just bought a house and the paper
published the price I payed for it and it can be found on the internet. I
don't think it is anybodys business what I actually payed for it, but by
being on the public record anyone can look it up. While researching the
house I was looking at it surprised me that the woman was devoiced and it
listed all the terms of the devoice. People would be surprised what is
public record. Maybe it is time for some of the public record laws to be
changed.
Rusty Shackleford
2004-05-29 23:59:22 UTC
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Post by Ralph Mowery
Post by Rusty Shackleford
Post by Cole Firearms Inc.
In a way, that is convenient to know everyone who has had their Rights
violated.
What rights were violated? It's a matter of public record.
Yes, it is public record but there are some things that are labled public
record that maybe should not be.
Just because you don't think something should be public record does
not mean someone's rights were violated by the newspaper publishing
the information.
Cole Firearms Inc.
2004-05-30 00:15:08 UTC
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Post by Ralph Mowery
Post by Rusty Shackleford
Post by Cole Firearms Inc.
In a way, that is convenient to know everyone who has had their Rights
violated.
What rights were violated? It's a matter of public record.
Yes, it is public record but there are some things that are labled public
record that maybe should not be. I just bought a house and the paper
published the price I payed for it and it can be found on the internet. I
don't think it is anybodys business what I actually payed for it, but by
being on the public record anyone can look it up. While researching the
house I was looking at it surprised me that the woman was devoiced and it
listed all the terms of the devoice. People would be surprised what is
public record. Maybe it is time for some of the public record laws to be
changed.
It's not quite the same. All land and property sales are public records
because they are taxed. People need to know how much they are being
taxed in relation to neighbors.

Some newspapers have stopped publishing birth announcements because it
violated the privacy of the new mother. These people are private
citizens, with no celebrity, fame, or political involvement. They can't
have such personal information released such as organizations they
belong or Personal financial information, as examples. There are many
laws which restrict what newspapers can print.

Those few people who see no problem with publishing private information
on CCW holders are most likely anti Gun people relishing in the harm the
newspapers are doing to the Rights guaranteed by the 2nd Amendment.
--
""Sic Semper Tyrannis" - Thus Always with Tyrants - John Wilkes Booth"

"Per ardua nec flectitur nec mutat. Confido,
est voluntas dei, invictus maneo. Addere leci justitiam
deo certavi et vici." - Rev. Shawn Cole, Cole Firearms Inc.
C G
2004-05-30 13:54:38 UTC
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Post by Ralph Mowery
Post by Rusty Shackleford
Post by Cole Firearms Inc.
In a way, that is convenient to know everyone who has had their Rights
violated.
What rights were violated? It's a matter of public record.
Yes, it is public record but there are some things that are labled public
record that maybe should not be. I just bought a house and the paper
published the price I payed for it and it can be found on the internet. I
don't think it is anybodys business what I actually payed for it, but by
being on the public record anyone can look it up. While researching the
house I was looking at it surprised me that the woman was devoiced and it
listed all the terms of the devoice.
Maybe if more women were devoiced there would be less divorce :-)
Rusty Shackleford
2004-05-29 23:38:50 UTC
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On Sat, 29 May 2004 23:12:57 GMT, "Cole Firearms Inc."
Post by Cole Firearms Inc.
Post by Anonymous Sender
An Indiana newspaper backed down from doing the same.
http://www.ohioccw.org/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=2017
Newspapers have been doing that occasionally across the United States.
Different states have different laws preventing such violations of
privacy.
Those who have had their names printed need to file suit against the
papers. The newspapers are not protected by the 1st Amendment by
printing personal information on citizens.
The information is a matter of public record. No privacy is violated
by publishing the information.
It's kinda like FFL information. It's a matter of public record that
you never had one.
joe dzurinda
2004-05-31 11:15:04 UTC
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"Rusty Shackleford" <***@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message > The
information is a matter of public record. No privacy is violated
Post by Rusty Shackleford
by publishing the information.
It's kinda like FFL information. It's a matter of public record that
you never had one.
Get a life Rusty, you're either gay, a democrat or baptist.

Joe
c***@mercer.net
2004-05-31 14:35:03 UTC
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On Mon, 31 May 2004 07:15:04 -0400, "joe dzurinda"
Post by Rusty Shackleford
information is a matter of public record. No privacy is violated
Post by Rusty Shackleford
by publishing the information.
It's kinda like FFL information. It's a matter of public record that
you never had one.
Get a life Rusty, you're either gay, a democrat or baptist.
Joe
That idiot has only one purpose in the gun groups. He wants to disrupt
the group by getting people angry.

So far I have killfiltered him. Unfortunately, his posts are contained
in some of the posts replying to this and other threads he has
insinuated himself into. I'm afraid that soon I will have to simply use
Agent's Global Search Filter method to filter out any posts which Re:
his garbage. I guess that means I'll miss the posts of some people, but
that's the way it has to be.

He's a wiseass who simply needs to be not answered by other members of
these groups.
Ruty 5hackleford
2004-05-31 15:20:11 UTC
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Post by c***@mercer.net
That idiot has only one purpose in the gun groups. He wants to disrupt
the group by getting people angry.
Wrong. But I do enjoy exposing people like you Cole as what you are,
a liars and a fraud. Still trying to fool people into thinking you
have a corporation and are a gun dealer Cole?
Post by c***@mercer.net
So far I have killfiltered him. Unfortunately, his posts are contained
in some of the posts replying to this and other threads he has
insinuated himself into. I'm afraid that soon I will have to simply use
his garbage. I guess that means I'll miss the posts of some people, but
that's the way it has to be.
That's the ides Cole, just keep your head in the sand. We'll continue
on exposing you for what you are. I guess you simply can't stand that
people see through your made up internet persona and need to keep
lying to yourself.
Paul McHale
2004-06-02 09:24:49 UTC
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On Mon, 31 May 2004 15:20:11 GMT, Ruty 5hackleford
Post by Ruty 5hackleford
your made up internet persona
Rusty, you kinda made me laugh with this one. No offense, but is
rusty your real name or a "made up internet persona"?
Rusty Shackleford
2004-06-02 13:55:53 UTC
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On Wed, 02 Jun 2004 09:24:49 GMT, Paul McHale
Post by Paul McHale
On Mon, 31 May 2004 15:20:11 GMT, Ruty 5hackleford
Post by Ruty 5hackleford
your made up internet persona
Rusty, you kinda made me laugh with this one. No offense, but is
rusty your real name or a "made up internet persona"?
It's a pseudonym. A made up internet persona is what Cole uses. He
pretends he was a firearms dealer and portrays himself as a
corporation. None of Coles persona is true.
Cole Firearms Inc.
2004-05-31 16:12:01 UTC
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Post by c***@mercer.net
On Mon, 31 May 2004 07:15:04 -0400, "joe dzurinda"
Post by Rusty Shackleford
information is a matter of public record. No privacy is violated
Post by Rusty Shackleford
by publishing the information.
It's kinda like FFL information. It's a matter of public record that
you never had one.
Get a life Rusty, you're either gay, a democrat or baptist.
Joe
That idiot has only one purpose in the gun groups. He wants to disrupt
the group by getting people angry.
So far I have killfiltered him. Unfortunately, his posts are contained
in some of the posts replying to this and other threads he has
insinuated himself into. I'm afraid that soon I will have to simply use
his garbage. I guess that means I'll miss the posts of some people, but
that's the way it has to be.
He's a wiseass who simply needs to be not answered by other members of
these groups.
In any group, there is always someone like him, causing problems for
others.
--
""Sic Semper Tyrannis" - Thus Always with Tyrants - John Wilkes Booth"

"Per ardua nec flectitur nec mutat. Confido,
est voluntas dei, invictus maneo. Addere leci justitiam
deo certavi et vici." - Rev. Shawn Cole, Cole Firearms Inc.
Rusty Shackleford
2004-05-31 16:18:19 UTC
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On Mon, 31 May 2004 16:12:01 GMT, "Cole Firearms Inc."
Post by Cole Firearms Inc.
Post by c***@mercer.net
He's a wiseass who simply needs to be not answered by other members of
these groups.
In any group, there is always someone like him, causing problems for
others.
LOL, now he's responding to his own posts. I'll check headers and see
who his sock puppets are. Our little friend Cole slipped on this one.
Anonymous Sender
2004-05-31 16:53:19 UTC
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Post by c***@mercer.net
So far I have killfiltered him. Unfortunately, his posts are contained
in some of the posts replying to this and other threads he has
insinuated himself into. I'm afraid that soon I will have to simply use
his garbage. I guess that means I'll miss the posts of some people, but
that's the way it has to be.
He's a wiseass who simply needs to be not answered by other members of
these groups.
He has proven he is an adolecsent asshole with his attempts at changing
his addy to evade killfilters. Only an insecure pup acts that way.
Don't worry about it. Just ignore him. More people will have him
killfiled in time - despite his silly, half-baked attempts at evading
their killfiles.

Now, I too have had my last say on this sujbect.
Rusty Shackleford
2004-05-31 17:59:17 UTC
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On Mon, 31 May 2004 16:53:19 +0000 (UTC), Anonymous Sender
Post by Anonymous Sender
He has proven he is an adolecsent asshole with his attempts at changing
his addy to evade killfilters. Only an insecure pup acts that way.
Don't worry about it. Just ignore him. More people will have him
killfiled in time - despite his silly, half-baked attempts at evading
their killfiles.
There's another one of our little friend Cole's sock puppets. This
one hiding behind an anonymous remailer. Now there's a real man.
Rusty Shackleford
2004-05-31 15:14:59 UTC
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On Mon, 31 May 2004 07:15:04 -0400, "joe dzurinda"
Post by Rusty Shackleford
information is a matter of public record. No privacy is violated
Post by Rusty Shackleford
by publishing the information.
It's kinda like FFL information. It's a matter of public record that
you never had one.
Get a life Rusty, you're either gay, a democrat or baptist.
Sorry Joe, none of the above. Nice try at an ad hominem attack
though.
I just think the same laws that give me rights should apply to
everyone else. You might not think so.
Further, I'm not ashamed of who I am, a CCW holder, gun owner and
conservative. You might be ashamed of who you are, and not want that
revealed to the public. Is that why you are upset over this?
Cole Firearms Inc.
2004-05-31 16:27:51 UTC
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Post by Rusty Shackleford
information is a matter of public record. No privacy is violated
Post by Rusty Shackleford
by publishing the information.
It's kinda like FFL information. It's a matter of public record that
you never had one.
Get a life Rusty, you're either gay, a democrat or baptist.
Joe
Can I add he's also stupid, It would be a simple matter for anyone to
call the atf and find out who had an FFL 6 years ago.

Someone told me he is replying to all my posts, and apparently misspells
his name often. That means he is typing in a name each time he posts.
The only reason he would do that is if he posts under other names.

Not suprisingly, that makes him a coward.
--
""Sic Semper Tyrannis" - Thus Always with Tyrants - John Wilkes Booth"

"Per ardua nec flectitur nec mutat. Confido,
est voluntas dei, invictus maneo. Addere leci justitiam
deo certavi et vici." - Rev. Shawn Cole, Cole Firearms Inc.
Rust Shackleford
2004-05-31 18:00:33 UTC
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On Mon, 31 May 2004 16:27:51 GMT, "Cole Firearms Inc."
Post by Cole Firearms Inc.
It would be a simple matter for anyone to
call the atf and find out who had an FFL 6 years ago.
That's exactly what I did. Once again, you don't have, nor did you
ever have an FFL.
gsams
2004-05-31 04:40:39 UTC
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Anyone can purchase the list of CCW holders for a minimal fee. The newspaper
purchasing it then reprinting it is costing the courthouse many dollars
because someone could just purchase a $0.25 newspaper instead of the $5-15?
for the list. I'm very surprised the courthouse isn't stepping in to stop
this.
Personally, I got my CCW to carry a weapon without anyone knowing I have
one. It should be exactly that, Concealed, as so should be the list of
fellow CCW holders. If I didn't care if anyone knew I had it, I'd have moved
to Kentucky where you can open carry with out even a permit.
Post by Anonymous Sender
An Indiana newspaper backed down from doing the same.
http://www.ohioccw.org/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=2017
Rusty Shackleford
2004-05-31 15:24:01 UTC
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Post by gsams
Anyone can purchase the list of CCW holders for a minimal fee. The newspaper
purchasing it then reprinting it is costing the courthouse many dollars
because someone could just purchase a $0.25 newspaper instead of the $5-15?
for the list. I'm very surprised the courthouse isn't stepping in to stop
this.
They can't. The CCW holder list is a matter of public record. The
newspaper isn't costing the courthouse a dime. First of all, I'm sure
people aren't lining up to purchase the list. Second of all, the
courthouse is only charging their cost to distribute the list (paper,
ink, time etc.)
Post by gsams
Personally, I got my CCW to carry a weapon without anyone knowing I have
one. It should be exactly that, Concealed, as so should be the list of
fellow CCW holders. If I didn't care if anyone knew I had it, I'd have moved
to Kentucky where you can open carry with out even a permit.
If you don't agree with the law, work within the system to get the law
changed. That's the American way. Whining here won't help.
gsams
2004-06-01 04:39:59 UTC
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In fact, the head of Ohio's anti-gun organization has promoted the idea
that
any time a gun is seen, or you even *think* the person may have a gun you
should call the cops and leave the area (so the cops don't reprimand you
for
making a stink when there is no real danger).
I think Rusty Shackleford is the head of that group. That or just a pissed
off felon that cant get a permit.
Rusty Shackleford
2004-06-01 13:47:53 UTC
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Post by gsams
In fact, the head of Ohio's anti-gun organization has promoted the idea
that
any time a gun is seen, or you even *think* the person may have a gun you
should call the cops and leave the area (so the cops don't reprimand you
for
making a stink when there is no real danger).
I think Rusty Shackleford is the head of that group. That or just a pissed
off felon that cant get a permit.
Wrong again, I have my permit. Nice sock puppet though Cole.
Asmodeus
2004-06-03 20:56:06 UTC
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Post by gsams
Personally, I got my CCW to carry a weapon without anyone knowing I
have one.
And how, exactly, did you do that? Please do NOT answer the
question if you did anything illegal--for your own sake as
much as anyone else's.
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Rusty Shackleford
2004-06-04 00:40:31 UTC
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On Thu, 03 Jun 2004 20:56:06 GMT, Asmodeus
Post by Asmodeus
Post by gsams
Personally, I got my CCW to carry a weapon without anyone knowing I
have one.
And how, exactly, did you do that? Please do NOT answer the
question if you did anything illegal--for your own sake as
much as anyone else's.
For me, I took the class, filled out the forms, and paid the money.
That's generally how it's done.
gsams
2004-06-04 03:17:23 UTC
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Post by Asmodeus
Post by gsams
Personally, I got my CCW to carry a weapon without anyone knowing I
have one.
I think I worded that wrong. I ment, I got my CCW to carry
w/o anyone knowing I'm carrying(concealed).
Not that I got it w/o anyone knowing I got the permit.
Post by Asmodeus
And how, exactly, did you do that? Please do NOT answer the
question if you did anything illegal--for your own sake as
much as anyone else's.
As far as how I got mine, Its easier than anyone could imagine
for a Indiana resident. You pay $10 for fingerprints at police station,
fill out application and mail $15 money order to Indiana State Police Dept.
3 weeks later mine was in the mail.
Asmodeus
2004-06-04 16:56:26 UTC
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Post by gsams
As far as how I got mine, Its easier than anyone could imagine
for a Indiana resident
Yeah, I have one. See your first paragraph (I misunderstood
what you meant).
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Mark Oliver
2004-06-03 03:56:19 UTC
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Go ahead and publish my name in the paper. Maybe the idiot criminals will
have someone read the paper to them and they will know that I am armed.
Post by Anonymous Sender
An Indiana newspaper backed down from doing the same.
http://www.ohioccw.org/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=2017
Hijo de la Changa
2004-06-06 14:12:43 UTC
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Post by Mark Oliver
Go ahead and publish my name in the paper. Maybe the idiot criminals will
have someone read the paper to them and they will know that I am armed.
I don't think the antis are interested in informing prospective criminals
that you are armed.

If I understand them correctly, they want your name publicized so that you
can be properly ostracized and shunned by your fellow citizens of the
anti-firearm persuasion. I heard exactly that argument in a discussion of
CCW that attended a debate over a business posting its property. We aren't
as afraid of the guns, the spokesman said, as we are of the kind of people
who carry them. We would prefer to shop where the kind of people who feel a
need to carry a concealed weapon are excluded. This group saw CCW licensees
as a paranoid bunch of gun nuts -- "soft white guys" as one local sheriff
opined -- and not the kind of people with whom they wish to share air.
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